What Is the True and Biblical Resurrection???

NO ONE PROPERLY UNDERSTANDS "THE RESURRECTION," SO THEREFORE ONLY SPECULATE WHAT IT IS, WHEN IT OCCURRED, OR WILL OCCUR?

However, they think they know what it is when they are far afield. This is written to present proper understanding of the subject.

II Timothy 4:3-4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth and shall be turned unto fables.

Isaiah 8:20

To the law and to the testimony (Law and the Prophets witness to the Law - OT): if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

As revealed in Ezekiel 23, in Judaism, from the time of flirtation and fornication with the religions of Egypt, Assyria and Babylon, those doctrines, and particularly of the resurrection, were transposed, along with many prevarications, in what is called Oral Torah, and Talmud, Zech 5:5-11, which Jesus condemned saying they made void the Law, Mark 7:13, in rejection of the OT. Thus, following suit, the OT is neglected in study by Christendom. Thereby, they privately interpret NT by NT, which has turned the truth into a lie, Rom 1:25, II Peter 2:2, II Tim 4:3-4, and fable. In downward progression away from OT truth, many things taught as being "assumption" from the Law and Prophets are NOT actually written in OT at all. Hence, within Judaism, Christendom, and carried on into Islam, those wrong interpretations producing those fables, fantasies, . . . and let us be very implicit, . . . lies, and deceptions, will be totally exposed and removed by the final truth Messiah brings. They are NOT in the Law and Prophets, nor the Gospel / New Testament (NT), called in Islam the Enjeel.

Researching the Quran, in eleven read throughs, and doing an exhaustive word search and comparison to the OT, and NT, it professes to just repeat, properly interpreted, many things and teachings of previous Holy Writ. However, just like Judaism and Christendom, with their Rabbis, Teachers, gurus, much of what is promoted by the Imams and Sheiks is not in the Quran as well. It is hence full truth from Messiah, soon manifested from Jerusalem, will bring all together around one government in plain and clear understanding, counsel, from where they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks, and nation shall NOT rise against nation, and they shall study war no more, Isaiah 2:1-4, Isa 9:6-7, Amen.

IT IS SOLELY from the Law and Prophets, OT, Jesus, and the Apostles taught. THAT SOURCE WAS ALL THEY HAD. This is stated by David, and his greater son Jesus, and then his Apostles, as given in the following verses of the NT, which NT did not exist as Jesus and the Apostles ministered and taught that truth.

[Psalms 119:11, Psalms 119:105, Isaiah 8:20, John 1:45, John 5:39, Matthew 22:29, Luke 24:25-27, Acts 17:11, Acts 26:22, Romans 1:1-4, Romans 15:4, Romans 16:25-27, I Peter 1:9-12, II Peter 1:20-21, II Timothy 2:15, II Timothy 3:14-17, Rev 10:7]

The resurrection properly understood from the law and the prophets is then >>> The Resurrection <<< true, pure, and simple. Coming to that proper understanding we mature in our growth as no longer children, but moving higher, we become responsible sons and daughters.

However, Jews, and those well versed and studied in the OT, from Messiah and his Apostles, knew the realities of "THE RESURRECTION," while many others esteemed in leadership over the people at that time, did not, and were rebuked accordingly:

Matthew 22:29

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Therefore, proper understanding of the subject was entirely obliterated moving to the end of the first century and the death of John. It was destroyed by the false apostles, "the tares" coming in Jesus' name, without the Holy Spirit, the mind of God in Christ. Jesus predicted they would come after him as did the true Apostles in their warnings, as stated in these verses:

[Matt 13:36-43, II Cor 11 and 12, II Tim 3, II Peter 2, I and II John, Jude, Rev 12]

In addition to what Paul stated in II Tim 4:3-4 above, Luke recorded Paul's admonition to those Ephesian elders he called to Miletus in

Acts 20:29-31

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Point here:

That condition was setting in back then. One need not wonder what it is now, but totally and 100 percent amiss, from "what is true salvation," to "what we are saved from," to "what is the resurrection," and a multitude of other subjects. This is well witnessed by what is claimed to be 45,000 divisions of Christendom all saying THEY have the truth and the Holy Spirit, as we have arrived upon the end time.

However, we have been called aside by God through Messiah, Daniel 10:21, Daniel 12:1, returned in spring 1984, secretly dealing with Israel for their national conversion at this time now upon us. In that privileged position, we have been corrected, properly reinstructed, and now can teach these subjects as to their true nature, subject matter, definition of the terms, indeed all that is needed, PROVIDED ONE LISTENS AND HEARS APPROPRIATELY.

Our ministry is distinctly marked by no church affiliation, no tithes and offerings, or any money going out or coming in, nor solicited ever according to Isa 55:1-3, Rev 22:17. All from our quarter is free and stated to be given to others in the same "always free" framework.

That being said, we are explaining this subject thoroughly. It is verified by the Messiah appearing worldwide from Jerusalem, indeed TODAY, BRINGING THE TRUE RESURRECTION.

Once more we say THAT proper government over the Mid-East brings world peace under his counsel of truth, extending to all nations to the ends of the universe, Isa 2:1-4, Zech 14:9, Zeph 3:9, Hab 2:14, Jer 31:34, Israel first, then the Gentiles.

Therefore, we now give the truth of the resurrection made clear from the Law and the Prophets from which Jesus and the Apostles solely spoke.

WHO ARE THOSE TO BE RAISED FROM THE DEAD AND WHAT RAISES THEM, STRICTLY THE MECHANICS, NOT THE ESSENCE OR SUBSTANCE AT THIS TIME???

The dead that are raised, are strictly the physical nation of Israel and was secluded to that, until Peter was instructed in Acts 10 to bring the Gentiles in, which ministry from that point was given to Paul, Acts chapters 9; 15; 22.

From there, by the time of the departure of the Apostles, John being the final one around 100 CE, the whole ministry went into deception and corruption, lies, fables, and concepts not even in the Bible at all, SOWN BY THE SOWERS OF TARES, as given already in our introduction.

Thus, there is a Second Resurrection, a final one, that differs not one iota from the First Resurrection, however, does expose error and those adhering to it, unlike the First Resurrection. Moreover, it could only occur when the Divine Agent and His Voice to Bring that Resurrection, the Son of God, Messiah, IS PRESENT AGAIN AS IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION, OR IS PRESENT AGAIN FOR THE SECOND TIME!!! OTHERWISE, IT WOULD NOT OCCUR AT ALL.

Therefore, in order to understand the final resurrection, we must understand the resurrection in general. One can then begin to understand the timing of the first, spring, minor resurrection, and then the second, fall, major resurrection, termed also metaphorically, "harvests."

LET US FIRST CONSIDER THE NATURE OF THE RESURRECTION, THE SOLE AND ONLY RESURRECTION, OTHER THAN SPECIAL MIRACLES, OR MESSIAH HIMSELF. This is the only resurrection there ever has been or will be.

We will therefore give those scriptures, the reader can look them up and read them, and then come back here, for exposition.

FIRST:

Read the entire Book of Job from beginning to end, and do not stop at some verses that seem to support what you may already believe. In doing so, one will understand Job was a dead religious person, under works for righteousness and offering sacrifices for the consciousness of sins, showing he was associated with Israel and the Law of Moses relegating those practices.

He states that in his flesh he would see God, his redeemer lived and would stand on the earth in the latter days. The Book of Job ends stating he DID see God, rejecting or abhorring himself, turning from his current view, (Hebrew - teshuvah, Greek - metanoia), repenting, to understand God, perceive God. In other words, by the Voice of God to him, . . . Job hearing or understanding that voice, JOB ROSE FROM THE DEAD, WAS BORN AGAIN, TWO METAPHORS FOR THE EXACT SAME THING.

Some will say, "oh you mean Job rose from the dead spiritually." We say yes, and there is no other resurrection taught in the OT, so that is mandatorily the same thing Jesus, and the Apostles are saying in the NT. It is hence Jesus and Paul after him, rebuked those addressing the subject erroneously, Matt 22:29, above, and Paul even calling those in their confrontations, "thou fool," I Cor 15:36.

Concepts of literal resurrections, and people flying off to glory included, are the fables, resurrection turned to a lie, we have already stated above.

The literal resurrection of Jesus was to convey what we needed spiritually. HE NEEDED NOTHING SPIRITUALLY. Therefore, as Paul explains in Romans 6-8, it was to die to our carnal understanding which is death and separation from God as occurred to Adam in whom all die, I Cor 15:22, and be raised in newness of life, new understanding, to be enlightened, Ephesians 1:18-23.

THAT UNDERSTANDING IS IN THE BIBLE BUT CERTAINLY NOT CLEARLY STATED. It is rather reserved for the final resurrection. HENCE ONE MUST "HEAR THE VOICE," PERCEIVE, SEE, UNDERSTAND, IN ORDER TO PASS FROM DEATH, THE CARNAL MIND OF ADAM, WITH WHICH WE ARE ALL BORN OF WATER, OUR BIRTH FROM OUR MOTHER PHYSICALLY. We come into our carnal, natural, bestial existence, as the most subtle beasts of the field, Psalms 49:20, prior to the resurrection / the new birth, whereby, only proceeding through that metamorphosis can we see / enter the Kingdom of God.

From our bestial, carnal, natural man's condition, we must be born again of God, born from above, to see the Kingdom of God SPIRITUALLY. It is that Divine Insight, WHEREBY, ONCE HAVING THAT, we are born of God, do not and cannot sin, and are even as Messiah, I John 3:9. He is the firstborn among many brethren, which brethren are the second ones born to be as he already is, I John 4:17.

Read Isaiah 26-29 without stopping again, which reveals the same as Job, for the nation of Israel. It is clear that The Resurrection is to come to higher understanding and has not a thing to do with literal dead bodies.

FURTHERMORE:

Ezekiel 36-37, from where Jesus preaches John 5:28-29, shows it is Israel in the graves, tombs of the nations, cut off from Jerusalem, Psalms 122 and 137, that are brought back into the land and taught under Messiah, David their King, as stated also in Isa 9:6-7, Isa 11, Hos 3:4-5, Jer 23:1-8.

Notice in Isa 11:11, it says THE SECOND TIME. The first divine call came in Jesus, the Voice of the Son of God, and brought the First Resurrection, John 5:24-25, Matt 27:52-53, Eph 2:4-7. However, compared to what is upon us now, again it was the minor, spring, harvest resurrection, projecting the greater, fall, harvest resurrection to a later or future time, John 5:28-29, Rev 20.

Reading on in Ezekiel 38-39, it is at this time, as given also in Rev 20:7-9, once Israel is raised first, today upon us, as a nation under proper government of David their king, Messiah, Israel via same, comes out of their tribulation, Zech 14:1-2, in the sounding of the 7th Trumpet / Plague, the Voice of Messiah in leadership over them, Isaiah 27:13, Romans 11:15-27, I Cor 15, I Thess 4, Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:15-21.

From there, proceeds Zechariah 14:3, those nations are judged, even as Israel is judged and converted, raised from the dead, Romans 11:15-27, just before the nations, in the Great Tribulation upon all the world, Rev 1:7. Following the age old formula, to the Jew first and also the Greek / Gentile, the nations are slain SPIRITUALLY BY THE FIRE OF GOD'S WORD, AND ALSO CONVERTED, RAISED FROM THE DEAD.

This is stated as consuming that which is to be burned and retaining that which is eternal. I Cor 3:10-15, is related to the believers raised to life, even as Rev 20:11-15, is to those still dead and wrong, raised to condemnation. All from that point must find their name in the Lamb's Book of Life to be thoroughly raised to eternal life, and full understanding as Sons of God, which is THAT LIFE.

So, from where in the OT did Jesus speak, when he clearly presents two timings for the two resurrections in John 5:24-25, Matt 27:52-53, and then Paul in Eph 2:4-7, versus John 5:28-29, and Rev 20 saying blessed is he that has a part in that First Resurrection, is not hurt by all proceeding around the second???

We will answer that in due time in this presentation.

In summation to this point, there is not a thing in the Bible properly interpreted both OT first, and then from that, NT, concerning anything about a physical body being changed literally, to some sexless being, flying from cloud to cloud or any literal dead bodies coming out of the literal ground. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED, AS SOME SUGGEST IN 70 CE, AND WILL NEVER TRANSPIRE TODAY, OR . . . . ANY OTHER TIME!!! IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE WHATSOEVER, PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD AND INTERPRETED, OT TO NT IN THAT ORDER.

It is solely referring to the carnal mind, the men and women we all are in Adam that are dead, CHANGED IN THE RESURRECTION into what we are in Christ alive forevermore.

Ephesians 2:4-7

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

THE BIG PROBLEM, SO BIG NO ONE PERCEIVES IT,

EVEN AS IT IS . . . THE PROVERBIAL ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM:

>>>> PEOPLE THINK THEY HAVE what they call the spiritual resurrection and new birth now, WHEN THEY DO NOT!!! <<<<

Therefore, they then interpret those verses about those things seemingly future, from Paul’s statements in particular, discussing the resurrection, to be about their literal body in some ethereal nether land, and Grimm’s fairy tales, again not in the Bible at all, except by interpretation from the blind leaders of the blind, void of the Holy Spirit of Truth.

The simple key to Paul's writings in particular, . . . is that Israel as a nation under proper government, that government rejected in 30 CE symbolized by the cross, TODAY FINALLY, . . . RECEIVES UNDERSTANDING. IT IS THAT IN PARTICULAR, . . . HEARING MESSIAH' S VOICE, NOT HEARD, IN 30 CE, that brings them to life in God. From 30 CE they rejected Messiah and remained dead, as a nation cutoff from the cross forward, awaiting coming to life in what is projected in John 5:28-29.

As a result, after those of the remnant of Israel were raised and joined by the remnant of the Gentiles, the entire profession went into the proverbial "hell in a handbag." That handbag was a profession based upon receiving the blood atonement of Messiah for their perceived consciousness of sins, as Jews under the Law or Gentiles under their standards, which quickly became the Law of Moses as well, in due time.

It all stopped there, and as the Book of Hebrews reveals, Israel and the Gentiles professing Christ, other than those like Paul and the remnant, could not get passed the consciousness of sins, forgiveness of same in his one-time offering of blood atonement, and NEVER ENTERED into full rest, receiving the full resurrection. FULL RESURRECTION IS EXACLY THE SAME THING AS RECEIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT. Without the Holy Spirit in the measure that Paul had, all were none of Christ's, as Paul makes clear again from Romans 6-8.

So, the entire profession went into fables about some afterlife as the main projection, as to "what is salvation" and as to "what one is saved from."

NO ONE WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD AT ALL. FURTHERMORE, THERE WAS NO RESURRECTION IN THE REFORMATION AND ALL THE ASUNDRY MOVEMENTS OF THE GREAT AWAKENINGS AS THEY HAVE BEEN DUBBED IN HISTORY.

There is no ETERNAL life anywhere except with Messiah returned, to bring Israel first to that RESURRECTION, nationally in the government they rejected as a nation in 30 CE, again that rejection vividly in the cross. It is thereby, in now receiving same they can be taught, thus hearing the Voice of God in Messiah, the Son of God, raising Israel from the dead, Romans 11:15, John 5:28-29. ALL IS SOLELY FOR ISRAEL, IN BOTH RESURRECTIONS, USHERING IN THE GENTILES ONCE MESSIAH'S VOICE FIRST SOUNDS TO ISRAEL RAISING THE DEAD THERE. We show this more in detail below as the very same harvests / resurrections in the corners of the field, and gleanings in the field and trees and vines for the Strangers / Gentiles, Eph 2:11-19, Romans 15:10-11.

THE TIMING OF THE TWO RESURRECTIONS IS DIVIDED BETWEEN THE FIRST AND THE LAST HALF OF DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK AND, . . . EVEN THOSE TWO PERIODS ARE RELEGATED AS TO WHEN THEY OCCUR BY THE LAW OF MOSES, AND ITS GREATER TIMINGS AND STIPULATIONS.

The First Resurrection began in 30 CE at the end of the First Half of Daniel's 70th Week, fulfilled to the Day of Pentecost, which was THAT RESURRECTION, WHEN THOSE, QUITE PHYSICALLY ALIVE, THAT HEARD THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD, JESUS, ROSE FROM THE DEAD SPIRITUALLY, John 5:24-25, Matt 27:52-53. Again, the FIRST ONE is from 30 CE, AT END OF THE FIRST HALF of the 70th Week.

Anything that appears literal other than the miracles and physical resurrection of Jesus himself, is 100 percent spiritual, metaphorical, semiotics, symbolic, etc. and in nowise anything else!!! This is indeed the case with Matt 27:52-53. Notice it says, "after his resurrection," which was on the Day of Pentecost.

THE SECOND RESURRECTION IS AT THE END OF THE SECOND HALF OF THE 70TH WEEK fall 1987, and in progress TODAY UPON US. Both are Israel first and then the nations, minor spring harvest Lev 23:1-22, and now today in progress, major fall harvest Lev 23:23-44.

Rev 14:14-20 show these two harvests plainly, again, "harvest" is terminology in metaphor for the resurrection.

It is Israel Only that is the subject of the first half of Daniel's 70th Week, and then 1954 years later, when the 2520 years from 537 BCE, Seven Times more judgment (7X360) came to its end in 1984, Lev 26:18-42, THEN it is Israel Only again.

However, in both harvests we read:

Lev 19:9-10, Lev 23:22, Eph 2:11-13, Zech 14:8-21, reveal distinctly, although Jesus and the 11 Apostles were sent strictly to Israel, and Messiah would return to gather Israel the Second time as well, Isa 11:11, Ezekiel 36-37, those two harvests were to include the strangers, those not of the commonwealth of Israel. This was for the Spring Wheat and Barley harvest and was carried forth by Apostle Paul, again Acts 9; 15; 22. Additionally, there is the Fall Harvest upon us today as given in Zech 14 for the Vine and Trees, TO WHICH THE NATIONS MUST COME UP FOR BLESSING.

These are to be fulfilled by the Messiah. One was in 26-30 CE extended to 70 CE, for the nation of Israel for the spring minor remnant of Israel, NOT THE WHOLE NATION AT THAT TIME. It remained from 30 CE for the Gentile remnant to be secured as well until 1984 CE, NOT ALL NATIONS DURING THAT TIME.

This renders equal time from the Call of Abraham in 1925 BCE to the cross of 30 CE for 1954 years to Israel as a nation, securing only the remnant of Israel in their NATIONAL dealings with God, until the Second Overturn of 70 CE, Ezek 21:24-27. This never produced national conversion as it will today, upon us now. Israel was blinded nationally, ALREADY FROM 607 BCE, AND THAT WAS EXTENDED FROM 537 BCE, WHEN THEY DID NOT NATIONALLY REPENT, Daniel 9:13.
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This was the manifold wisdom God, preordained and set, so the Gentiles could have access, in a timing WITHIN THE GREATER (7 x 360 =2520 years) time of blindness from 537 BCE to 1984 CE. Therefore, STARTING AT THE CROSS OF 30 CE, we have equal time to the Gentiles of also 1954 years to spring of 1984, under the cross and the rejection of Messiah by the nation of Israel, in that blindness, as stated by Paul in Romans 11:7-27, Eph 2-3.
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The blindness again already on them since 537 BCE, delineated in detail in our Chapter 1 of BABYLON IS FALLEN greater publication, is clear for a period set by the precedent against unbelief and disobedience in Gen 4:24, “Seventy and Sevenfold,” mandated later in the Law of Moses on Israel in Lev 26:14-17, beginning under Babylonian Captivity 607 - 537 BCE for the Seventy, of Jer 25:1-11; 29:10-14. Then, when they did not repent, Daniel 9:13, Daniel rejected that return from Babylon to Jerusalem under Zionist deception using Cyrus, King of Persia, as we gave in detail in Chapter 4 of the greater publication, BABYLON IS FALLEN, and did not go with them, Daniel 10:13.
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It was in that year, spring 537 BCE Daniel 10:1, “the time appointed was long” came in, the “Sevenfold” – “Seven Times more,” from 537 BCE to 1984, of Lev 26:18-42 . Therefore, from 537 BCE Israel was blind already, and under Gentile domination at the time of Jesus and, in that blindness rejected Messiah, 30 CE, Romans 11:7-27. 1954 years later, and from spring 1984, that blindness is removed, bringing final judgment, Daniel 7:24-27, and then blessing, Israel first and then the nations.

WHY 100 PLUS EXPRESSIONS OF IMMEDIATE RETURN, BUT YET IT DID NOT OCCUR???

It is hence, not knowing that timing, how to calculate the Seven Times of Lev 26:18-42, THEN, that both Jesus and his Apostles constantly spoke as if the SECOND COMING WAS IMMINENT, but saying also to wait in patience and obedience, Mark 13:32, Acts 1:6-7, James 5:7-8, Rev 1:7, Rev 10:7. YET, NOW that Messiah has returned and the Father has revealed that timing fulfilled in 1984, we can know it clearly.

IT IS IN THIS SAME IGNORANCE, THE PRETERISTS IN PARTICULAR, MAKE THEIR TOTALLY ERRONEOUS ASSUMPTIONS CONCERNING 70 CE, NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES OF THE OT, PRIOR TO DANIEL, AND CANNOT RIGHTLY APPORTION THE TWO HALVES OF THE 70TH WEEK, WITH DISPENSATIONALISTS FOLLOWING SUIT IN FUTURIST'S ERRONEOUS DOCTRINES.

As seen in Joshua and Caleb on to the prophets and those that followed devoutly, such as Simeon and Anna in Luke 2, it was only a remnant, not all Israel as a nation that was obedient to the Promise. Therefore, we say equal time is given to the Gentiles to secure a remnant, NOT ALL NATIONS. The full world conversion OF BOTH ISRAEL AND ALL NATIONS, THE FINAL AND FULL RESURRECTION, THE FALL AND GREATER HARVEST, is only upon us today.

Diagram: | Israel >> CROSS >> Gentiles

1925BCE <1954yrs> 30CE <1954yrs> 1984CE

Commencing in 1984 with “and the judgment shall sit” starting in fall of 1987, Dan 7:24-27, beginning with the Arab Intifada, bringing all to public exposure from that point, we have the beginning of the major fall, and final harvest, ongoing as we write. In that Second Resurrection, there will be first Israel's national conversion, Romans 11:7-27, followed by all nations coming up to Jerusalem to be converted as well, Isa 2:1-4, Zech 14:3-21.

In other words, Jesus was rejected except by a remnant believing in total truth first from Israel and then from the Gentiles. There was no aspect of that First Resurrection that proved people wrong universally and then revealed complete and clear truth, without parables. Indeed, Jesus and the Apostles maintained private discussions prevalent between the true followers, leaving the multitudes to remain in profession and mainly unbelief, dead, or a form of godliness with no real power or authority, to this very day, Matt 13:10-12. Once more we state, hence there is reportedly 45,000 divisions. There will be no clear revelation, proven correct, to the defeat and removal of all false doctrines, wrong eschatology, lies, fables, etc. until Messiah is publicly manifested from Jerusalem in government over Israel and the Arab peoples, Isaac and Ishmael, in peace and one understanding, in that Fall Harvest, the Second and Full Resurrection.

AND WHAT ABOUT OUR CAMP UNDER MICHAEL OF DANIEL 10:21???

We currently have that knowledge and serve Messiah in his calling to Israel but have been commissioned by Messiah to go to the Gentiles, realizing all we have, will not be quickened until his manifestation to the public in due time now upon us, Rev 15:8. Using the false doctrines and the false concepts, the presentation BABYLON IS FALLEN, has been written while amidst the confusion. We have been called to sort it out, truth from error in many things now, via almost 40 years of lectures given by Messiah, and have it ready when the time of Messiah's appearing manifests to all the world.

This FINAL HARVEST, THE FULL AND COMPLETE RESURRECTION will prove all wrong, and lead them to righteousness, by the remnant that are wise at this time, of whom we are privileged to be a part, as stated in Isa 29:24, and Dan 12:3. There are things that will become more clear even for us, so we all will learn and grow from that point, where we hope to help, freely given as God does to all. This is without respect of persons, THE JEW FIRST AND ALSO THE GENTILE FORMULA THEN COMING TO COMPLETION IN THE WHOLE OF HUMANITY, BEING THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH, producing, Jer 31:34, Zech 14:9, Zeph 3:9, Hab 2:14, I Cor 15:22-28. Amen.

Now Let Us Address The Timings Of The Law And Then The Prophets To Determine The Two Resurrections Respectively.

Isa 8 - 9: 2 identifies the First Resurrection, how it failed to convert the nation of Israel, and therefore went unto the nations beyond Galilee. Psalms 22 and Isa 52 - 54:1 show the same. Also, this document addressing "The Grand Parenthesis - the Age of Grace," redundant to this document, helps as well.

http://babylon-is-fallen.com/sd-grand-parenthesis-aog.htm
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This is seen in the split ministry, one rejected and the other, after judgment, received in Isa 28-29. Moreover, it is seen in Daniel 11:30c through 35, as the rejected ministry, received only by a remnant of Israel first and then the Gentile remnant, very few coming to the Holy Spirit, stated in the Book of Hebrews as entering into THAT rest or full truth, the fullness of the Holy Spirit. It is directly that to which Jesus implicitly points in John 5:24-25, the plain and clear SPIRITUAL RISING FROM THE DEAD, FIRST RESURRECTION, at the end of his ministry to 30 CE cross and Pentecost.

However, Jesus goes on to state the Second Resurrection, in John 5:28-29, which . . . AGAIN IS NO DIFFERENT IN NATURE AND ITS REALITY AS TO WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS, which is covered in Isa 11, Isa 27:13, Jer 23:1-8, Hosea 3:4-5, and most clearly in Zechariah 12-14, Ezekiel 36-37 as well. He points to that Second Resurrection / Harvest of Israel moving, after their national conversion, to THEN the nations in John 5:28-29 taken directly from Daniel 12:1-7, COMPLETING THE PICTURE WHEN JOINED, AGAIN TO THAT STATED PLAINLY IN ZECH 14:3 FORWARD. Once more, this time, it is full exposure as to what is manifested, raised, and condemned, death - FALSE UNDERSTANDING, . . . THAT IS THOUGHT TO BE TRUTH ERRONEOUSLY versus that which is manifested as correct and eternal INDEED, . . . standing the fire of this judgment / resurrection in finality, unto life.

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE, IN TIME AND SPACE, IN THE FINAL ESCHATON OF ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

The resurrection to full truth, is in the following document, where understanding and accepting that, one is raised immortal, incorruptible, and has God's life, eternal life. Rejecting it, one will receive it eventually because there is no leaving of any behind, once Messiah is revealed in Jerusalem, all WILL convert.

http://GreatPrinceMichael.com/
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Israel first and then the nations, realizing it was of God and for a time, but now is death and must be rejected, as the food of the past, breeding disease, if we continue to feed there, one can go to the publication below. Here one can find understanding of a higher nature that expels the past, destroys Babylon the Great, and its confusion, so we never again take from it a stone for a corner or a stone for a foundation. Selah.

http://Babylon-Is-Fallen.com

Amen.
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APPENDIX ONE:
I Thessalonians 4:13-5:11 explained in light of Romans 8:1-12:1
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This portion of NT writ, I Thess 4:13-5:11, is prevaricated by the clergy even before it is read by the laity. It starts with an explanation given to the laity that these are the believers concerned about their brethren, having physically passed away, the "dearly departed" in that condition before the final Kingdom and return of Messiah.

Void of the Holy Spirit in Paul when writing this letter and others, they enter same, as we emphasized in the original post, without understanding the OT, the Law and the Prophets, and Paul's first address of this material in Romans, not to mention NOT keeping in context with the earlier chapters of I Thessalonians as well.

From there they assume this is speaking of literal, physically dead people, as believers having passed, and also those living literally physically alive as believers in some literal, physical body change to be supernatural bodies and taken to heaven.

This is a lie and the result of heathen culture as far back as Egypt to Assyria to Babylon, imbibed by Israel, the Jewish people, as stated in Ezekiel 23. This moved on to the gods, goddesses, and superstitions of false religions of Persia, Greece and Rome, fables, II Tim 4:3-4, then read into the script by unauthorized interpretation. This prevarication and influence of heathen culture abusing the interpretation of the Bible were soon transferred into Christendom by the false prophets:

[Matt 13:36-43, II Cor 11 and 12, II Tim 3, II Peter 2, I and II John, Jude, Rev 12]]

They arose even during the time of the Apostles. I Thessalonians teaches no such fables and fantasies, nor does the entire Bible properly interpreted. We repeat again Paul's anathema against such:

II Timothy 4:1-5

1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Indeed, preliminary understanding needs to be gleaned from the OT and in particular, following common sense rendering of Paul in this first letter to the Thessalonians in chapters 1 to 4:13, to understand exactly what Paul is addressing specifically.

Hence, we must first show that context using selective verses from the OT, Romans, and earlier 1^st Thessalonians, to show just TO WHOM Paul is referencing as those "asleep," "fallen asleep," "dead," "asleep in the night," and even "drunk in the night," as well as "alive and remain," and later, "children of the day."

THEREFORE, THIS CANNOT BE ANSWERED IN SOME QUICK, "OH IT IS THIS OR THAT." And, . . . due to the damage done by false leaders, the blind leading the blind, it is with great care and precision we must lift the readers out of the ditch. Thus, we will put them back on the narrow way to life. This, we will attempt to do.

IT IS ASSUMED ONE HAS THOROUGHLY READ AND DIGESTED THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT ENTITLED:

"What Is the True and Biblical Resurrection???” It is above these Appendixes specifically delving into further addresses of THE RESURRECTION from Paul’s letters.

That above read is necessary before continuing into the Appendixes, where we do not repeat things stated there, for brevity in this already exhaustive consideration. From there, we have continued on here, to consider additional NT scriptures presenting the proper and true interpretation of same yielded by a clear understanding, BEFOREHAND, of the nature of the resurrection.

One of the clearest statements taken from the OT, Isa 59:20-60:5, and used by Apostle Paul is in

Ephesians 5:13-17

13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

As we stated from Isa 26-29 in our original document above, "What Is the True and Biblical Resurrection???" . . . This was first of all Israel, dead, where only a remnant came to life spiritually in hearing the voice of Messiah:

John 5:24-25

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

However, as we also gave, this spring minor harvest was only a remnant of Jews, and then had added to that a remnant of Gentiles, NOT ALL NATIONS WHICH IS RESERVED FOR THE FINAL RESURRECTION, FOR BOTH THE NATION OF ISRAEL AS A WHOLE NATION, AND ALL NATIONS OF THE GENTILES, given in complete package in Zechariah 14.

As called for in Lev 23:22, Isa 8 - 9:2, and Isa 52-54:1, see as well in Psalms 22, this is stated as to the two companies, Jews, and THEN Gentiles, which Gentiles are not of Israel at all in any manner here. Notice the statement at the end of the chapter "in whom ye ALSO..." showing a remnant first of Israel brought in, and THEN those aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, the Gentile remnant:

Ephesians 2:1-22

1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we BOTH HAVE ACCESS by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 IN WHOM YE ALSO are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

In Romans 1-3, Paul shows all are under trespasses and sins, PERIOD, stated as dead here in Ephesians, and then raised from the dead.

The Jews were dead in trespasses and sins being given the Law of Moses directly, the Gentiles were the same via consciousness of wrongdoing, sinning, trespassing by standards not given directly by the Law of Moses. However, the Gentiles without that Law of Moses were a law unto themselves, Rom 2:11-16.

Thus, over the centuries from the diaspora of Assyria, 721 BCE, II King 17, Babylon 586 BCE, Jer 52, on to Rome in 70 CE, Daniel 9:26, and in particular the Bar Koch bah rebellion of 135 CE, Luke 21:24, we come to the current day. The Ten Commandments is certainly the standard at this time, Exod 20:1-18, and has been for centuries, bringing consciousness of being dead in trespasses and sins. From that condition the Bible is clear, WE RISE IN "THE" RESURRECTION.

Once more we emphasize, Jesus not needing any of that, II Cor 5:21, I Peter 2:22, I John 3:5, demonstrated by his death, burial, and resurrection, the only resurrection we need, SPIRITUAL. Other than Messiah’s physical resurrection, and then separately a few miracles, where people died again, this is the one and only biblical resurrection.

The short of it is best expressed in I Cor 15:22, "As in Adam all die, even so, in Christ shall all be made alive."

THE PRIMARY DEAD WITHHOLDING, UNTIL THEIR AWAKENING, THE REDEMPTION OF ALL CREATION, IS THE NATION OF ISRAEL.

ONLY COMING TO THEIR DESTINY, ALL THE WORLD WILL BE LIBERATED IN THAT LIBERATION OF THE SONS OF GOD, IN THE ORDER GOD HAS PRESCRIBED, WHICH ORDER MUST BE FOLLOWED.

THUS, IT IS ISRAEL FIRST NATIONALLY ALREADY DEAD UNDER THE LAW, FURTHER FALLEN ASLEEP SINCE 607 BCE, EXTENDED IN DEATH AND SLUMBER SINCE 537 BCE THAT NOW IS ABLE TO COME TO LIFE SINCE 1984 CE, 2520 YEARS LATER, 7 X 360, Lev 26:18-42, the Times of the Gentile domination, Seven Times finished in spring 1984. This is called also the "blindness" of Israel, in Romans 9-11.

This is first stated in Romans 8 and then qualified directly to National Israel in Romans 9-11, although not knowing the timing as we do now, Paul knew the formula. It is hence he stated all would be judged by his message, gospel.

So, in order to understand I Thess 4:13-5:11 properly, one must understand Romans 8 as to the broad picture of the coming deliverance and then, why the wait and the temporary call to the Gentiles, and how that would end, in Romans 9-11.

Therefore, that understanding, that approach is where we will extend our comments immediately, addressing the other in due time.

Romans 1-8:17 is to the individual, the remnant from the Jews and then the Gentiles of the spring harvest, the First Resurrection, as Paul endeavors to first eliminate the halfway houses of stopping at blood atonement, forgiveness for sins, ending in a constant aggravation of trying to do better, but not be able to succeed in what is called colloquially, "the Romans 7 experience."

It is no question that of which he speaks down through Romans 8:17, in Romans 8, gives the individual the victory, which is stated in Hebrews as well, "entering into THAT rest, ceasing from one's own works as God did from His." It is stated in John's letters, as being born of God and not sinning, indeed, not able to sin, once reaching that plateau.

This is again, the actual saving dynamics, the substance given in the document the Everlasting Gospel.

http://GreatPrinceMichael.com/

When one receives that, he understands there is no freewill, no self-determination, where any choice we think we have is already decided before the world was by God's preordained script. Here, our reality then fades into the nightmare and illusion it is, when one wakes up in God's likeness. All then is of God, God is all and in all, and one then learns directly from God, as God's Son, having the same mind as in Jesus Christ, which Paul had as well.

So, what was the hold up, what left everyone in Romans 7, to this day, unable to get to Romans 8, where they are no longer under condemnation, but rather have THAT rest of God in the Book of Hebrews, the condition of born of God, not sinning nor able to sin, I John 3:9???

The answer is in Romans 8:18 through 11:36, where those that had it already and were part of the remnant that had what Paul had, the same mind of Jesus Christ could then present their bodies a living sacrifice in the Spirit that it was their reasonable service as stated in Romans 12.

Romans 8:18-39 is those having the fullness, all that Christ had with the mind of God, and Paul with the mind of God, waiting for the redemption of the whole corporate body of mankind, not one person left out, II Peter 3:9.

But it was in waiting for those ordained to come in first by their office designated in the Law and the Prophets, as the beacon of light to the nations. This is the formula, the Nation of Israel under Messiah, proper government of the Sovereignty of God, TO OFFICIATE RULE WITH HIM OVER THE EARTH, BRINGING ALL INTO THE GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF BEING IN CHRIST, THROUGH THEM, THE SONS, THE ISRAEL OF GOD.

The down payment or earnest is not that someone received a partial thing and then gets the remainder later, NO-NO-NO!!! The down payment or the earnest was that SOME received it all, the first fruits, adopted fully as Sons of God, the spring minor harvest, the First Resurrection company. They had all that God would later give to all mankind, in the full purchased possession, when Israel first came to her national destiny in the fall and major harvest, the full redemption of all creation, the Final Resurrection of Daniel 12:1-7, and John 5:28-29. This is what all creation groans, as in travail of birth, to receive.

Now let us look at what Paul said were the mechanics of the falling asleep and THEN the coming awake, the rising from the dead, for the Nation of Israel, not just a few individuals that DID awake in the First Resurrection.

Yes Paul, and a remnant of Israel, and a remnant of the Gentiles coming to the mind of Christ in them, were the down payment, the First Resurrection, ensuring the promise would be given to all the seed, which is all humanity in the final end product, Jew first and also the Gentile, in the final full Resurrection upon us as we write.

Jer 31:34

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Zechariah 14:9

And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

Zephaniah 3:9

For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent.

Habakkuk 2:14

For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

MAY IT BE SO IN OUR DAY UPON US NOW, AMEN.

LET US CONSIDER ROMANS 9 -11 (Selected) TO ADDRESS THE DIFFERENCE of "Elect National Israel Versus Elect Individually:"

Briefly, there is a nation, Israel, elected when God separated out Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to produce the Messiah for world blessing, through the tribes of Judah, and Joseph, Genesis 49. There is also an individual elect.

Here that individual elect is WITHIN the nation of Israel, and later ALSO WITHIN the Gentiles / Nations after the cross and Messiah’s rejection. This is confined to, AGAIN INDIVIDUALLY, as many as received HIM – Messiah, John 1:11-12.

However, in the broader or dispensational arena, whether they individually were the faithful such as Joshua and Caleb, Numbers 14, or if they were renegade as Korah and his 250 princes, destroyed for their rebellion, Numbers 16, ISRAEL WAS THE ELECTED NATION, the chosen for God’s purpose to display Him in His plan.

These two “elections” of scripture are made clear in Paul’s teachings in Romans 9 -11, here selected in key verses only for the purpose of making this point with inserted comments:

Romans 9 (selected)

1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertains the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

(Here is the national elect, Israel, nothing individual about it, no concern whether they individually served God truly or were corrupt to the core.)

"6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"

(HERE is the individual elect, nothing national about it. This is those within Israel, that served God truly and therefore were in character as to what Israel was called to be nationally. They are designated in other verses of the Law and the Prophets (OT) as “the remnant,” and some calling them colloquially “the remnant faithful,” I Kings 19:9-18, Isaiah 6:8-13, Malachi 3:16-18.)

"7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham (National elect), are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called (Individual elect).

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh (National elect), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed (Individual elect).

. . . .

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness (National elect).

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they (National elect) stumbled at that stumbling stone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumbling stone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him (Individual elect) shall not be ashamed."

Romans 10 (selected)

1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (the nationally marked out nation of Israel) is, that they might be saved"

(THIS MEANS: As a nation they come to their national ordained purpose and install proper government for world blessing, receive Messiah and the Sovereignty of God over them according to Isaiah 9:6-7, Ezekiel 21:24-27. THIS IS WHAT WAS rejected officially as a nation April 3, Nisan 14, Preparation Day, Wednesday, 30 CE. They will reverse that according to all the Law and the Prophets as a Nation of Israel, as Paul goes on to explain in Romans 11, further down in these blocks of comment under this OP.)

"2 For I bear them record that they (National elect) have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they (National elect) being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their (National elect) own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

. . . .

11 For the scripture saith, whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed (Individual elect).

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all (Individual elect) that call upon him.

13 For whosoever (Individual elect) shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

. . . .

21 But to Israel (National elect) he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people (National elect)."

. . . .

Romans 11(selected)

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people (National elect)? God forbid.

For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people (National elect) which he foreknew"

(Israel, as a nation chosen by God’s purpose for displaying Himself in time and space on earth in Messiah's return now imminent upon us, is not "cast away." ATTENTION PRETERISTS!!!)

"Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he makes intercession to God against Israel (National elect) saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men (Individual elect), who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant (Individual elect) according to the election of grace"

(Individual election from those of Israel after Messiah’s national rejection by Israel is joined later by the Gentile individual elect, again, as many as received him, John 1:11-12, Acts 15:13-18.).

. . . .

"7 What then? Israel (National elect) hath not obtained that which he seeks for; but the election (Individual elect) hath obtained it, and the rest (National elect) were blinded."

Again, we say once more, National Election IS Israel chosen as a NATION for God’s purpose and plan to display Himself to all. Individual Election is those that are given by God to “get it” or to understand, having the eyes of their understanding enlightened to know God.

Romans 11 (selected)

23 And they . . .

(National elect, Israel) also, if they abide not still in unbelief . . . "

(Nationally receive their king God, and his anointed Jesus Messiah / Michael the Great Prince, proper government whereby they are properly counseled / taught, Isaiah 9:6-7, Daniel 12:1-3, Isaiah 29:11-24),

"shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again."

(This term “grafted in” is used ONLY referencing the collective group Israel on one hand. On the other hand, it is the collective group Gentile / Nations. It in no way references the individual elect.)

"24 For if thou (Gentile COLLECTIVE GROUP formally in darkness) wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree:"

(This was initiated by Peter in Acts 10, but given to Paul, Ephesians 2-3, due to the cross or rejection of national elect Israel):

"how much more shall these (National elect, Israel), which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"

(Again, NOT INDIVIDUAL AT ALL, THIS IS SPEAKING OF THE GROUP, NATIONAL ELECT, NATION OF ISRAEL)

"25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel (National elect, Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in

(Messiah returns ending the Seven Times of the Gentiles of Lev 26:18-39, that termination point called by Paul "the fullness of the Gentiles," due to the Seven Times being "full" or completed. in spring 1984. Beginning simultaneously, we have the "time, times and a half," 3 and 1/2 years, called also "42 months," and also "1260 days." This is the Last Half of the 70th Week grafting back in the national elect Israel.

That Last Half of the 70th Week WAS NOT fulfilled by Jesus, Messiah's first ministry. He was cutoff in the midst of the 70th Week, so the Gentiles were grafted in as a collective group and granted access from 30 CE. From there, the individual elect from Israel were joined by the individual elect of the Gentiles to the church, the Body of Christ during his rejection by national elect Israel. Thus, the church is not Israel, but a separate company altogether.

After 1954 years from 30 CE, and after 2520 years since 537 BCE, the incalculable timing, that Jesus nor the Apostles knew WHEN it ended, Mark 13:32, Acts 1:6-7, INDEED ENDED. Thus, the national elect Israel was grafted back in, and the collective group, Gentiles / Nations, were cut back out as a collective group. This remains until Messiah is received as proper government under the Sovereignty of God by national elect Israel. From that reception, the door is open to convert, AND WILL CONVERT, the entire world both individually and as whole nations, as given in Zechariah 14.)

"26 And so all Israel (as the National elect NATION OF ISRAEL) shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their (National elect, Israel) sins"

(This is by bestowing the blessings of Daniel 9:24 given to the National elect Israel, upon receiving proper government under Messiah, Ezek 21:24-27, Isa 9:6-7, Hosea 3:4-5, Jer 23:1-8. As Acts 3:14-21 specifies, God would send Messiah upon Israel nationally repenting, Lev 26:40-42).

"28 As concerning the gospel, they (national elect, Israel) are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election (National elect, Israel), they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

Notice for continuity on pointing out individual election verse national election of Israel, we chose not to reproduce Rom 11:8-22. The reason for this is to NOW look at those scriptures separately which reveal the resurrection in first cause, which is the nation of Israel, national elect for God's purpose towards all humanity.

FOR OUR PURPOSE IN SHOWING THE RESURRECTION IN FIRST CAUSE, WHICH IS SOLELY TO THE NATIONAL ELECT, THE NATION OF ISRAEL, ONCE GRAFTED BACK IN AS OF SPRING 1984, WE NOW CONSIDER ROMANS 11:8-22:

"8 According as it is written, God hath given them (national elect Israel) the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. (dead, asleep, blind, deaf etc.)

9 And David saith, Let their table (national elect Israel) be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they (national elect Israel) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their (collective national elect Israel) fall, salvation is come unto the Gentiles (collective group), for to provoke them (Israel) to jealousy.

(This fall, not a season but rather as in stumble and fall, was at 30 CE, according to Daniel 11:31, John 11:45-53, John 19:15, occurring exactly on, April 3, Nisan 14, Preparation Day, 30 CE, in the cross, marking that fall of the national elect Israel, in the rejection of Messiah, which meant the rejection of God's sovereignty in government over them, and his chosen ruler, Deuteronomy 17:14-20.

As always with God's foreordained plan, the manifold wisdom of God, nothing was amiss or a mistake, but rather, right on time, and as prewritten in the Law and Prophets. Thereby, the Gentiles were granted access to take a remnant from Israel and the nations joined to form the Body of Messiah, the church.

This was NOT ISRAEL AT ALL, but rather a company secured to Messiah, as a foretaste of what the full resurrection would be. That would occur in his return, where what is seen in the TRUE church would extend to all the world, Jew first and also the Gentile, losing all identity ONLY AT THAT POINT, being forevermore, even as our father Abraham, THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH.)
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12 Now if the fall of them (national elect Israel) be the riches of the world (God's grace extended to the world), and the diminishing of them (Israel) the riches of the Gentiles (access opened to the collective group of Gentiles); how much more their fulness (how much more shall all the world benefit when national Israel is brought to their fullness of all God has for them)?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them (individual elect).

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world (if the cutting off of the national elect Israel, out of the olive tree be the grafting in of the Gentiles, the nations of the world collective group for access), what shall the receiving of them (what shall the grafting back in of national elect Israel) be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the first fruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

(Here is the first and final resurrection, the first fruit is the remnant of Israel, in Messiah's first ministry, the spring harvest from 30 CE, the lump being the national election of the whole nation of Israel, also raised in the final resurrection, the final ministry, the fall harvest now upon us, all of which is the TOTAL RESURRECTION, FIRST AND SECOND, which IS life from the dead.)

17 And if some of the branches (national elect Israel) be broken off, and thou (collective group, Gentiles), being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief (rejection of Messiah by national elect Israel) they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not high-minded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee (collective group, cut out when the national elect Israel is grafted back in from spring 1984).

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise, thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

This is exactly what has occurred!!!

Christendom, having departed by false prophets' leadership, is removed entirely, in spring 1984, when the Seven Times of Lev 26:18-42, terminates the Gentile domination over Israel, from 537 BCE to 1984 for 7 times of 360 years = 2520 years, and . . . additionally terminated the Gentiles' access to Messiah of 1954 years from 30 CE, the cross and rejection of Messiah, called colloquially, the Age of Grace.

As of spring 1984, the nations, the collective group, the Gentiles are cut out of the olive tree and granted zero access, due to those fables and perverse interpretations imposed upon Holy Writ, WHICH ARE NOT the understanding of true faith by which Paul just stated above in Romans 11, they "stand."

>>>> In other words, going back to Romans 8, they have not the Spirit of Christ and are therefore, NONE OF HIS!!! <<<<

Therefore, Israel is picked back up from spring 1984, and neither they nor the nations / Gentiles, are granted any faith / understanding UNTIL Israel is first judged and brought to conversion, receives proper government they rejected in 30 CE.

The Resurrection clearly and predominantly in its final and major occurrence, now upon us, is THAT nation, elect Israel's conversion. ONLY UPON THAT RESURRECTION, of those dead, asleep, fallen asleep, will the nations also be raised FROM THAT SAME DEAD, ASLEEP CONDITION.

HAVING ESTABLISHED THIS FIRST AND EXPLICITLY, WE NOW, ADDRESS I Thess 4:13-5:11.

SO . . . WHAT IS I THESS 4 ALL ABOUT???

First, who are those dead and stated also to be asleep, two metaphors for the exact same thing???

Now it is imperative to understand the context Paul sets forth in I Thess 4:13 forward, where one, as with the OT, should first read I Thess 1:1-4:12 as well. There in particular, from I Thess 2 one can see the trouble causing concern for Paul in his journeys and for the Thessalonians in their concerns handled in I Thess 4:13-5:11.

"I Thess 4:13 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, (as Paul stated is Romans 11:25) brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."

Based upon the context of I Thess 1:1 - 4:12, this was sorrow concerning the nation of Israel as given above in Romans, asleep and dead, under the Law, causing concern to those, the remnant harvest, who were already spiritually alive in Christ.

Yet as Paul states in

I Thess 2:14-16

14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Paul knew, as did those he instructed from all the OT projected, the full world blessing and hope was Israel as a NATION being converted to proper government from which blessing of counsel, and peace came, whereby the Gentiles or Nations would be blest.

Isaiah 9:6-7

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 2:2-4

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.

Therefore, Paul wrote as he just stated, so they would NOT lose that vision, as others that had no hope. NOW, WHO DID PAUL SAY HAD NO HOPE???

Ephesians 2:11-12

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past GENTILES IN THE FLESH, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS from the covenants of promise, HAVING NO HOPE, and without God in the world:

Obviously, as stated in I Thess 1:9-10 by Paul's ministry they had "turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God and wait for the Son FROM heaven" (NOT GO TO HEAVEN TO MEET THE SON), whereby this was their hope, as Paul gave that hope of the nations based upon:

Romans 11:25-27

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Let us now move to

I Thess 4:14

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Cross referencing, I Cor 15:22, with this statement to which we will also apply it later when mentioning "dead:"

I Cor 15:22

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive,

We know NO ONE IS DEAD WHEN IN JESUS OR WHEN IN CHRIST!!!

Paul writing both these letters, he is speaking in unison. Therefore, Paul is again using the same example he does in Romans 6-8 to show

WHAT HE DID PHYSICALLY NEEDED TO BE REVEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THE BELIEVERS, AS TO WHAT THEY NEEDED SPIRITUALLY.

Considering the verses now in that proper light,

"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep . . .

[- THOSE ASLEEP ARE THE DEAD, ISRAEL, THE WHOLE NATION AWAITING PROPER GOVERNMENT THEY REJECTED IN 30 CE, . . . ONCE "IN JESUS" / "IN CHRIST" by national conversion to him over them in government as a whole nation -]

"will God bring with (bring unto, to be with) him."

[- God will bring those asleep, and dead, Israel that rejected Messiah, to be BY CONVERSION THEN ACCEPTING JESUS, AND ONLY THEN "BE BROUGHT TO" OR "BROUGHT TO BE" . . . WITH HIM" ..... MESSIAH. -]

"15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep."

[- Those who were raised in the First Resurrection, of 26 - 30 CE, Daniel 11:30c - 35, which is directly John 5:24-25, THUS WERE ALIVE SPIRITUALLY, . . . shall not have advantage, pre event, go before, precede in importance, those still asleep, dead, national Israel. BECAUSE . . . Israel is raised from the dead in the return, fall harvest, major and final resurrection, and the sounding of the SECOND TIME to Israel, Isa 11:11, via Messiah's voice, John 5:28-29, again in major finish, Dan 12:1-7, raising the dead, Jesus speaking concerning graves or tombs from Ezek 37. -]

"16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead IN CHRIST shall rise first:"

[- This is John 5:28-29, the Lord himself, Messiah, Michael of Daniel 12:1-7, the Chief Messenger, sounding, in the Seventh Trumpet of full disclosure, Rev 10:7, whereby ONLY THEN, the dead, Israel, asleep, and dead, shall then be able to hear that voice, that sounds in Christ, and so RISE FIRST AS IS ABOUT TO TRANSPIRE.

Here is a better translation based upon I Cor 15:22, .... the dead, AT THAT TIME HEARING THE VOICE, COME TO BE IN CHRIST, by hearing and understanding, and then shall rise, only then being SPIRITUALLY alive -]

"17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

[- Remembering Paul is trying to explain all to the comfort of the Thessalonians in concern that Israel was not responding as a nation at that time, Paul then says those spiritually alive already and still REMAIN in time and space living a physical natural life, would be joined together with Israel raised from the dead, in the Day of the Lord, Isa 2:12-22, the obvious clouds or witnesses, Heb 12:1, of judgement, Dan 7:13-14, Joel 2:2, Zeph 1:15, Matt 24:30, Matt 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and all the prophets statements coming true, to meet the Lord, Messiah in the air, or airing, SCATTERING FOR DISSEMINATION, broadcast, THE POWER OF THE HOLY PEOPLE, THE TRUTH, REVEALED, Dan 12:7, Rev 10:7, when every eye shall see him, Rev 1:7, at that time via current instant media from Jerusalem. -]

"18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

I Thessalonians 5

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

. . . .

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

THE AFTERMATH OF THE RESURRECTION OF ISRAEL FIRST, ESTABLISHING PROPER GOVERNMENT UNDER MESSIAH, BRINGS GREAT TRIBULATION SUCH AS NEVER WAS OR EVER WILL BE:

This is all through the Law and the Prophets as Israel nationally repenting in the final process inaugurated after the Seven Times of Leviticus 26:18-42, Acts 3:14-21, is completed, by Messiah returning in her current tribulation and converting Israel to him and government under the Sovereignty of God. This we have just covered in Romans 11:7-27, stating by Paul, that conversion, a process already entered since 1984, and in particularly with the judgment sitting the fall of 1987, as given in Daniel 7:24-27. This ends in all kingdoms being removed, establishing the Kingdom of God, the Everlasting Kingdom destroying the image in Daniel 2.

Isaiah 59-66 shows this transition, also Jer 30, and 50-51, Ezekiel 38-39, and certainly Daniel 11:44-45 moving to Daniel 12:1-7. Albeit, the main place of detail is Zechariah 12 -14, and chapter 14 in particular, which all should be read before addressing I Thess 5:1-11.

Once the first verses of I Thessalonians 1:1 through 4:18 are understood as given above as to what is the resurrection, Chapter 5 revolves around what the Thessalonians already knew from Paul and the Law and the Prophets. This would bring a false sense of "peace and safety" but then comes "sudden destruction."

Those that are asleep and / or drunk in the night are those not concerned in the spirit of Laodicea as stated in Rev 3:14-22, rich and satisfied in their own understanding of spiritual things but know not they are naked and blind indeed. They are "drunk" in reveling in what they believe, intoxicated on the wine of false doctrine. They are not paying attention, asleep and / or drunk with their own understanding of things far afield from the actual truth of the Word of God, Ezek 14:1-11, II Thess 2.

These companies range from liberal Jews, just wanting a 51st state of the USA in the Mid-East, as a vacation resort, and many Jews worldwide, very secular, agnostic, or even atheist, in orientation. In Christendom and Islam worldwide, it is the same. They are asleep and just trying to live a natural life, there, and in the world carelessly unconcerned, even despising their birth faith in any real devotion. This is not to mention those not in serious concern of the Bible at all, thus being in heathen faiths altogether.

On the other hand, there is the right-wing, active to push their religion and devotion thereto upon others but are drunk in their false doctrines and are abusive accordingly. Both are sold out under exactly what is stressed in our earlier statements above. Again, this is carried so well by II Tim 4:3-4 "turned unto fables," interpretations not in the Law and Prophets of the OT at all, hence not true at all.

Let us now look at the mechanics that take them by surprise, the first element is deception in "peace and safety." The second element is stark truth being fulfilled which they do not understand, yielding all under Great Tribulation.

This is first experienced by Israel and brings her tribulation, UNTIL she rises from the dead to be in Christ, therefore corrected under Messiah in deliverance. From there, Great Tribulation, that of a different sort from all wars, famines, trials, that have ever been, comes upon the liberal left and those nations that have come against Israel, the Promise of God and Jerusalem. in pushing democracy, and false government upon the Holy Land destined biblically for a monarchy / theocracy, Deut 17:14-20, Isa 9:6-7, Hos 3:4-5, Jer 23:1-8.

Whereas many of those things which are negative in experience may accompany the Great Tribulation and have already, with regard to first Israel and the Mid-East, Jesus said, that such wars were not the end or goal reached YET, Matt 24:5-6.

The transition from Israel's tribulation pressing her to change government under Messiah, moves over to bring the nations' Great Tribulation such as never was, a spiritual consternation, as seen most clearly in Zech 14. Zech 14:1-2 shows Israel's tribulation in the city, Jerusalem, divided in two parts, Then, that tribulation drives her from verse 3 forward, to the valley of the mountains, where she finds deliverance, and the nations THEN are brought under judgment, or Great Tribulation.

In short, due to the fact that all these mechanics are laid out in detail in the Free Book BABYLON IS FALLEN, we will cut to the chase here, and end this comment, imploring the reader to go to that publication linked in the OP above and at the end of this comment. We briefly state in closing:

The "peace and safety" deceptively ensues from the division of Jerusalem putting the Holy Mount, ancient temple complex, as well as West Bank territories, in the newly formed Palestinian State, as we see the "two-state-solution" coming more and more into reality.

This crushes the Zionist regime, unable to deliver Israel's divine aspirations, defeating her and overturning her destiny for the THIRD time, Ezekiel 21:24-27, Daniel 11:29, "at the time appointed." The entire world, Revived Rome / UN / USA is elated that Israel, the Jewish radical right-wing troublemakers are finally put in their place, and democracy prevails.

The "sudden destruction," the stark truth of the Word of God, the consummation of all prophecy, then is fulfilled when Israel is converted to government under Messiah. He, owning the Temple Mount complex, is David's heir, Great Prince Michael, Daniel 12:1, in proper rule over the River Nile to the River Euphrates centered there in Jerusalem.

Israel is spiritually destroyed, by what the world perceives as "peace and safety" in the two-state solution, devasting Israel's arrogance, and harlotry with the nations, whereby she has existed to date. The nations, with the Arab world, the ten nations we present clearly in the free book, turn upon her, and devour all hope of the Zionist Cabal, Rev 17:16.

This forces her to Messiah, then present and standing for her in "The Appearing," when every eye shall see him, Rev 1;7, Rev 10:7, Dan 12:1-7. From there, Great Tribulation such as never was or will be again, ensues on the nations. It is from there Messiah, the Lamb, overcomes the Arabs, Rev 17:14, and eventually the world, bringing all out of Great Tribulation, into the understanding of the Everlasting Gospel, Rev 14:1-13, destroying Babylon the Great, and all religion of same, via one faith of truth to all. Amen.

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APPENDIX TWO:

INTRODUCTION TO EXEGESIS OF I CORINTHIANS 15

As we stated in Appendix One, to the document linked in the OP:

"What Is the True and Biblical Resurrection???" . . .

. . . concerning I Thess 4:13-5:11, the clergy in general, not having the Holy Spirit to lead them into all truth but claiming, and really thinking they did and do so possess same, are the main culprits, as they were in Paul's day, . . . obliterating the true meaning of Paul's letters.

We have often, in sad humor, thought Paul should be called "whirly-gig Paul," because he has turned over in his grave so many times, due to the lies and distortions made out of separating his letters from the OT and proper understanding. They make his letters stand alone in private interpretation concerning The Resurrection, and other subjects, whereby the truth he presents is "evil spoken of."

Apostle Peter states this in II Peter 2:1-2; 3:15-16. Adding to that, Paul states himself, that prevarication was made by twists on real truth, Romans 1:25, some from his own statements, Romans 3:1-8, the most damaging he had to face is covered in:

II Thess 2:1-3a

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: . . .

Here is early Preterism, built upon the lie that Messiah would come in a 40-year generation, counted from 30 CE, without consideration, that the OT, Ezek 21:24-27, Dan 11:29, stated that "the time appointed" was ONLY UPON THREE OVERTURNS OF JERUSALEM, THE HOLY MOUNT AND GOVERNMENT, not just two. Antiochus Epiphanes IS NOT ONE OF THOSE OVERTURNS AT ALL, where Israel did not lose the Temple Mount, as they did in 586 BCE, 70 CE, and will today in the mandated TWO-STATE-SOLUTION. Moreover, the Man of Sin had not been revealed, Daniel 8:23-25, II Thess 2:3-12.

That pseudo-claim, of a full complete coming in 70 CE to the clouds, is carried today in what is termed Full Preterism, that teaches all was done, for the entire Bible and all prophecy. They teach there was a Parousia, secret coming, in 70 CE during the siege on the temple in the destruction of Jerusalem, where a literal rapture with a physical bodily resurrection occurred then.

The majority of Preterism, called Partial Preterism, erroneous as well, eliminates Israel, as a people at that point, in any special dealing with Israel nationally by God. Partial Preterism still holds out for some sort of return of Messiah, and here holds to a literal resurrection of dead bodies, joined to spiritual souls in some afterlife, part of the fables and fantasy as well, II Tim 4:3-4, still yet to occur.

Using historian Josephus and assumptions made out of that history, he not even an Apostle, but buttering up to Rome to save his own reputation in that he once was in the original opposition to Rome, walled up in a cave in the holy land, false doctrines evolved from there, of the resurrection, II Tim 2:18, and how the Christian Church replaced Israel, and was true Israel.

This degenerated into the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) under historian Eusebius, and his champion, Constantine, by the 4th and 5th Centuries. From there, all the fables of which Paul had warned, II Tim 4:3-4, and chiefly those of the resurrection, some afterlife to be feared, and the bread and wine blessed by the Priests of Catholicism being the Body of Christ giving eternal life to the eaters of same from the hands of the authorized priesthood, took all into the dark ages.

From there, various Reformation, and Great Awakening movements came, to try and get back to some truth, but succeeded in only more and more divisions to about 45,000 claimed today, all saying, "Oh we have the Holy Spirit, and THE Truth."

As also revealed in Appendix One, once these views are pushed upon the laity, then the entire NT canon, and in particular, Paul's writings, are erroneously understood to be saying such fables and fantasy.

Having thoroughly read the main document, "What Is the True and Biblical Resurrection???" and "Appendix One" regarding Romans and how that reveals The Resurrection so that one can even begin to understand the subject in Paul's other references to same, let us proceed into I Cor 15.

However, as we did in I Thessalonians, we must remember the context of the first 14 chapters setting the stage for this debate, ensuing between those challenging Paul, in that contest seen clearly in chapter 15.

The clear full Holy Spirt of truth in Paul, was aborted by many coming only to blood atonement for sin, forgiveness, and various ideas on how to maintain one's salvation, accordingly, dropping all into the void of Romans 7. Those in that condition were NOT raised from the dead by the fullness of the Holy Spirit in them, as it was in Paul. This is plainly seen in all the debauched condition and practices Paul has to address in Chapters 1-14.

As seen later in II Cor 11, the tares mentioned by Jesus in Matt 13:24-30, and the warning of false prophets among the professed believers as stressed in II Peter 2, the Book of Jude, and certainly I and II Epistles of John, and Rev 12, were Jews by natural birth, even as the true Apostles were such:

II Cor 11 (selected)

. . . .

4 For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

. . . .

12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

. . . .

22 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

It is hereby, if one will first read those 14 chapters, he can conclude exactly, with what Paul is in debate in I Cor 15. Peter and Jude state such were clouds without water, indicating a claim enough to come into the company by profession. Yet, THEY DID NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, AS DID THE TRUE APOSTLES, AND WERE THE SOWERS OF TARES, WITH WHICH, PAUL IN PARTICULAR, HAD HIS MAJOR CONTESTS AND DISPUTES.

Paul states the truth from the remnant position of those of Israel that went on to be one with the Gentiles in the church under Messiah rejected, those having the fullness of Holy Spirit. This was the mind in Christ Jesus, and Paul, and the true Apostles of the Lord, I Cor 2:16, Philippians 2:5, crucified with Christ, and therefore the Spirit of Christ living in them, Gal 2:20, Rom 8:1-10.

Thus, it is in his corrective statements, he is attempting to lead those misled by the false apostles back to the right path, where only there could they enter into Romans 8, that REST of the Book of Hebrews, and be raised up together to sit together in that one body, of Christ, Eph 1-3.

Those dead, and asleep, and fallen further asleep since the cross, were the nation of Israel in first cause, having rejected Messiah altogether. In second cause, which was the main problem in the body of believers in Jesus as Christ, were those claiming leadership as Jews, dead, asleep, and trying to pull the entire profession back under the Law of Moses, and the traditions of the elders, etc.

Trusting the reader to so read Chapters 1-14, the original document "What Is the True and Biblical Resurrection???," and Appendix One, . . .

PLEASE PROCEED TO THIS TEACHING ON I COR 15:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Here is where those that claim one can lose their salvation point to this verse and others that bring one's standing with God in question around the expression "IF." Preaching from one end of the theological, debate spectrum "eternal security," or "once saved always saved," the rallies, around that "IF," champion "eternal INsecurity" or "one can pluck themselves out of the Father's hand," at some point of moral bad behavior.

What is the REAL TRUTH of the matter???

ONE IS NOT SECURE, AND WE AGREE with the rally around the "IF," UNLESS THEY RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH THEY DID NOT IF THEY WERE UNDER THIS "IF."

The whole point of John, Paul, and the writer of Hebrews, was to CONTINUE on to that RESURRECTION TO FULL LIFE IN GOD, BEING BORN OF GOD, BEING OUT OF ROMANS 7 AND IN 8, with no condemnation, AND ENTERING INTO REST, where works are not a factor.

This is the condition we have stressed as the goal in view of all Paul tried to do in his attempts to put them back on the right path, once led away from that path by the false apostles covered above in our introduction. They all stopped, under blood atonement for sin, still sinning under their advocate Jesus Christ the righteous:

I John 2:1-2

1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Jews and Gentiles professing Jesus as the Messiah, the entire profession, by the time John passed on around 100 CE, came to a screeching halt, after his departure. The Holy Spirit was imparted to no one since then, hence Christendom, lot, stock, and barrel, never got to:

1 John 3:9

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God,

Paul states it as:

Romans 8:1-4

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

And the writer of the Book of Hebrews says the same in this manner:

Hebrews 4:10-11

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

"Born of God," "Walking after the Sprit," and "Entering into Rest," are exactly the same thing, not one wit different, and it is by faith / understanding, and THAT understanding is here:

THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL:

http://GreatPrinceMichael.com/EG/EG.htm
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This was the end in view of the formula then laid out by Paul as we quote further:

I Cor 15:3-17

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
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9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Notice the point here is to be raised again in Messiah. It is this point where Paul directs and continues at length. However, to this day, it is not part of what is presented as "The Gospel." All messages stop at the formula in verses 1-8, explained by the advocates of same. Moreover, they state that it is believing that formula . . . one is raised SPIRITUALLY, AND WE AWAIT A NEW PHYSICAL BODY TO COMPLETE US. And . . . only upon that, do we no longer have any sin.

Now go back and read, I John 3:9, Rom 8:1-4, and Heb 4:10-11, again. It is clear, in that condition, there is no sin, nothing about which to be condemned, and no works at all. AND . . . all to be had right while we are physically alive. The major key point!!!

Therefore, when we are raised from the dead, we cannot sin, cannot be condemned, and do not do anything at all, no works to attain security in God through Messiah. AND . . . this is only AND solely accomplished by being raised from the dead SPIRITUALLY, HAVING MESSIAH'S SAME MIND IN US AS IN JESUS, THE TRUE APOSTLES, AND ALL THOSE THAT CAME TO THE FULL TRUTH, THE HOLY SPIRIT.

So here is where it all went to fable, fantasy, and lies:

Those not raised and not having the Holy Spirit, not born of God, still condemned remaining in Romans 7, and working to somehow attain less sin and failing etc., putting salvation in doubt, concluded, they were raised spiritually in Messiah and covered by his work for them, with such expressions as "put your faith in the finished work of Christ."

THEREFORE, THE BIG AH HA!!! FARCE!!!
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They concluded, . . . "When we are dead and buried literally, this is referring to Messiah coming and raising us out of the literal grave, supposing they already had what Paul had while they were physically living, WHICH THEY DID NOT. Therefore, they would get a sinless body DOWN THE ROAD, AFTER THEY PHYSICALLY DIED, ALL UNDER VARIOUS DOCTRINES DIVIDING THE PEOPLE, TOTALLY FALSE WITH NO TRUTH TO THEM.
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From there, the whole profession went after that carnal assumption of assumed spiritual raising already, and later to receive a new physical body incapable of sin. Therefore, in reality, as Paul had, no one rose from the dead really EVER, AFTER THAT POINT. ALL-ALL-ALL are dead SPIRITUALLY prior to Messiah coming again, manifested in The Appearing with THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL.

When Messiah appears, in manifestation of full truth, this will be a major point that brings Great Tribulation such as never was, a different kind of tribulation, to know one does not have what they thought they had.

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead and become the first fruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Taking verse 18-22 as a whole portion together, we avoid the typical error of those under fables, fantasy, and lies, those indeed spiritually dead, and asleep, without the Holy Spirit. They think, teach, and are taught, this is speaking of physical dead bodies, coming alive in some afterlife, nether world.

Again, we emphasize what Paul said in I Thess 4, in conjunction with I Cor 15:22, NO ONE IS DEAD OR ASLEEP WHEN "IN CHRIST," IN THE ANOINTING, INDWELT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

If one is "in Christ" he is alive, having the Spirit of God, raised from the dead, has God's life in him, eternal life, no longer in the carnal mind of Adam, where all are dead, asleep. This was Paul, alive spiritually "in Christ," right here on earth, in time and space,

So . . . by logical deduction, if there is no resurrection of the dead, one asleep, being in Adam, dead, when coming to be "in Christ," receiving the Holy Spirit, enlightened by same to know God, has nothing at all, and is perishing or has perished still.

Again, we emphasize, well witnessed by all Paul had to confront in I Cor 1-14, and the majority of people in other epistles, that had started and did run well for a while, they fell away, turned aside, to works, self-determination, being under the Law, stuck in Romans 7, religious as any Pharisee perhaps. THEY WERE NOT RESURRECTED, BUT WERE STILL, asleep, dead, as Paul also says, right in this epistle, and joined to Romans:

I Corinthians 3:3

For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Romans 8:6

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

THEREFORE, PAUL WAS BEING CHALLENGED IN I CORINTHIANS 15 BY THE SAME GANG THEN AS OF TODAY:

They were dead, carnally minded, having not the Holy Spirit, they still sinned, and were unable to cease from same, not born of God, residing in Romans 7 unable to get to Romans 8, and had not entered into that rest.

Thus, Paul says there IS a resurrection, and in all his epistles tries to lead them to that, to be alive and "in Christ," Born of God, unable to sin, not condemned in Romans 8, and fully having entered into rest where works were not a factor.

Once more, people claiming they had the spiritual side already, then went unto fables of the afterlife, physical bodily resurrections, turning the truth into a lie, reducing all that was precious into carnal foolishness, Acts 20:29-31, II Tim 3 and 4. By the time of the departure of Paul and the Apostles, it was totally a form of godliness, having no power, void of the fullness of the Holy Spirit.

It is thus Paul points to the final resurrection, seeing he could surmise they were not going to come to Christ other than, verse 1-8 formula, and a profession of belief in that, stopping there. They were incapable of being raised to eternal life, God in them, as Paul already was. Thus, Paul projected all to the future when Messiah returned.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

The First Resurrection had secured Paul and the other Apostles, some other Jews and some Gentiles, a REMNANT ONLY of both, making them not Israel or replacing Israel, IN ANY RESPECT WHATSOEVER. They were rather a separate company, the Body of Christ, awaiting the end.

They were surrounded and confronted by Israel that rejected Messiah altogether, dead, asleep NATIONAL Israel as we covered extensively to this point. National Israel would be raised first in the final coming, as Paul assured the Thessalonians, who were concerned national Israel was not responding, leaving the Thessalonians' hope of the kingdom in question.

There was no deception in national Israel. They rejected Messiah period, and were enemies, clearly marked as same. The problem was those Jews that accepted in name, in profession, possessing not the Spirit of Christ, Jesus as Messiah, and drew away people after themselves, false apostles, once more identified here:

[Matt 13:36-43, II Cor 11 and 12, II Tim 3, II Peter 2, I and II John, Jude, Rev 12]

In both cases, national Israel and . . . anything with profession and no full possession, and NOT raised "in Christ," were dead and under the carnal mind of Adam. The final victory of Christ, that had to be finished, was in removing that carnal mind, spiritual death from all creation, so God would be all and in all. There was an order to that, and he gives it in these above verses:

Christ was the first fruits and those in the First Resurrection, are all considered under the expression, "Christ the first fruits." The next thing, to which Paul projected, was those that are his at his coming, Rom 11:7-27. This is national Israel under proper government first of Messiah and the Sovereignty of God, bringing proper counsel, and peace, which will "put down all rule and all authority and power."

Established as the only authority over the scriptures of truth, Daniel 10:21, and head of all creation, Messiah then can bring to bear THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL, WHICH RAISES ALL FROM THE DEAD, CARNAL MIND, DEATH OF ADAM, AND PLACES THEM WITH PROPER ENLIGHTENMENT, HEARING, UNDERSTANDING HIS VOICE. This puts the Mind of the Father in Messiah in all, so that from there, "God is all in all."

Beginning in verse 29 below, Paul then returns to the same point of importance he gave in Romans 6-8, which is what is demonstrated by baptism, the work of Christ in his death, burial, resurrection, being exactly, SPIRITUALLY, the point. It was in bringing all to that spiritual resurrection, brought forward by Christ, where he needed nothing, but reveals what all needed, to receive his mind of the Father in them, which is The Resurrection of the Dead.

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized (as if they are dead) for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? (For what purpose??? What is baptism demonstrating???) . . . why are they then baptized (as if they are dead) for the dead?

30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?

31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantages it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die.

33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

PAUL IS SIMPLY SAYING,

"FOR WHAT AM I EVEN MINISTERING, IF IT IS NOT TO BRING ALL TO THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST IN THEM??? I, PAUL, HAVE NO PURPOSE IN MY EXISTENCE, IF THE DEAD ARE NOT TO BE RAISED IN MESSIAH, HAVING HIS MIND IN THEM, AS THE FATHER IS IN CHRIST."

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one-star differs from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (NOTE: Flesh and bone do not inherit either. One of the heathen extrapolations is that the blood is gone and then the new physical body, CALLED A SPIRITUAL BODY, has the blood replaced by the Spirit, in these concepts of literal resurrection from the grave. Jesus defeats that idea by saying in his resurrection, “a SPIRIT hath not flesh and bone as ye see me have.”)

THE KEY HERE IS "SOWING IS NOT LITERALLY DYING AND PUTTING A DEAD LITERAL BODY IN THE GROUND OR BURYING ONE IN A GRAVE. IT IS RATHER SPEAKING OF BEING BORN INTO HUMAN EXISTENCE IN THE WORLD.

When one HEARS THE VOICE IN UNDERSTANDING OF MESSIAH, one is proven dead, in a carnal understanding, he then, is crucified with Christ, buried with Christ, and raised with Christ. Once more, this is Romans 6-8, symbolized and demonstrated by baptism, and going on to enlightenment of receiving the mind of Christ as Paul had, which is the resurrection into Christ, coming spiritually alive, established well in Eph 1-3.

This is hearing the Voice of Messiah, so one does not come into condemnation but is passed from death unto life, John 5:24-25. It is metamorphosis, from Romans 7 to 8. It is entering into full rest where we cease from our works as God did from his, Heb 4:10-11. It is denying there is any freewill at all, God is all and in all. It is to receive God's way of seeing all things, the Holy Spirit, to believe the following, as we give it again.

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51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

From verse 51 Paul addresses the process in mechanics, where some were asleep and some awake, either NOT like Paul or like Paul. Israel the dead, nationally, comes to life in Messiah manifested at his appearing, establishing proper government under him that they rejected in 30 CE.

This is the Last Trump, the Great Trumpet of Isaiah 27:13, and Rev 10:7, as well as Rev 11:15-19, to those not expecting same, that Appearing and One world government under him, he owning and being head of all, is the 7th Plague of Rev 16:15-21. This raises Israel and then the nations accordingly, Zech 14.

This is a positive to those looking for same, who are raised to life already, very few at this juncture in history, and it is a negative at first to those caught by surprise and under condemnation, THEN knowing they are wrong.

However, as stated in Isa 29:11-24, Daniel 12:3, all will be changed so that;

Revelation 22:17

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Jer 31:34

Zechariah 14:9

And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

Zephaniah 3:9

For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent.

Habakkuk 2:14

For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

QUESTION: WILL THAT MEAN WHAT IS IN HEAVEN, AND WHAT IS IN EARTH MEET, AND WHAT WILL THAT BE???

ANSWER YES, BASED UPON THE LORD'S PRAYER, Matt 6:10.

BUT IT DOES NOT YET APPEAR WHAT WE SHALL BE, BUT WE KNOW THAT WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM, FOR WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS, I John 3:2.

We shall then know as we are known, and that which is in part will be done away in the fullness that comes, I Cor 13. What that entails??? . . . We shall see then.

I Corinthians 2:9

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God.

We know only what God has revealed by his Spirit, trusting in the goodness of God for those things he yet will reveal. Amen.

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